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Polymphus

The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« on: Jun 16, 2008, 09:59:19 AM »
Rightyho. The second in my planned series of articles on various units in the ogre army, starting with rare choices. Rare choice #2 in the ogre arsenal is the slavegiant; a much maligned monster in my opinion. He's not quite as powerful as a standard giant, but he makes up for it in other ways. Let's take a look at his pros and cons.

Pros
-Equal movement to the rest of the army.
-Able to move, but not charge, 360
-Smaller frontage than a standard ogre unit, thus (combined with the point above) much more maneuverable.
-US6: rank breaking is magical.:twisted:
-Very powerful against ranked infantry if used properly.
-Cheaper than a standard giant.
-Fantastic model. Let's face it, GW advertised him to death, but all things considered it's an absolutely amazing model.

Cons
-Random combat possibilities make him unreliable.
-Not stubborn. Can't be used as a tarpit or solo unit killer.
-Terrible against larger models.

So what we have here is a giant that's not very good at the two things giants are renown for. This tends to shock a lot of people and drive them away from the slavegiant. With gorgers 100pts cheaper and with significantly greater utility, why use a slavegiant at all? Personally, I do the following: if I'm in a tournament, I use gorgers. In most games, I use a slavegiant. And yet, I still win games using a slavegiant, and in many he proves himself an integral tool. In this article, I'm going to explain why.

There's a very easy trap to fall into when considering the slavegiant: using him like a giant. It's the same model, but it's a completely different unit in its application. A giant excels as a tarpit and monster hunter: a slavegiant fails horrible in both respects, but here's where you have to consider the context of the army. In many armies, the giant is the speedy hammer unit that runs in with the big boys and hits things with a beatstick until they stop moving. That's because most armies have M4, and the giant has M6. He’s fast, tough and hits hard; a heavy cavalry substitute if you will.

When the rest of the army has M6 though (as we do) then the slavegiant comes into a league of its own; as not a hammer but a knife. He's not the big melee beatstick any more, he's the assassin's dagger. I'm going to bring back a trio of points from before...

-US6.
-M6.
-360 degree movement.

Normally, the giant uses his superior movement to run ahead of the army. When he does this, he becomes the target of every single spell and artillery piece on the battlefield. The slavegiant however, moves just as fast as everyone else, and coupled with his bad reputation tends to get ignored. The enemy sees your big ogre units as better targets and tends to forget about the giant entirely. 'You're using a slavegiant? What a laugh!' they say. Use this to get him into position. By the time they realise there's a great big bugger standing in the flank, it's usually far too late. Or even if it isn't, they tend to go a bit ballistic with their shooting against him at this point, and give your other units at least a turn of reprieve.

So what we see here is that while the giant is a heavy cavalry unit, the slavegiant is light cavalry: just the right level of unobtrusiveness combined with absolutely terrifying mobility makes him a force to be feared indeed. In combat, there seems to be little middle ground: he either annihilates the enemy or flops. Once again, consider him like a unit of light cavalry: he’s a dedicated scout, disruptor and flanker, and should never charge into a unit unsupported. Never. He’ll either utterly smash the enemy or stand there looking angry: but he doesn’t smash reliably enough to do it on his own. If he’s negating ranks, he’s doing his job. Leave the killing to the big boys. Or little ones. Little…er ones. If you charge a giant into the front arc of a ranked enemy unit without support, I will personally hunt you down and poke you in the eye very hard. If you charge in the flank without support, I’ll merely send you a pointed letter, and hope you get a papercut. Either way it’s unpleasant. Just don’t do it. Like any light cavalry unit, he’ll crumple without support.

So here’s a rundown again; He’s speedy, excessively mobile and capable of breaking ranks. He has a terrible reputation and tends to get totally ignored as a result. He should not charge ranked units unsupported under any circumstances. Bringing back the metaphor from before, he’s the assassin’s dagger in an army of blunt instruments. Except 40 feet tall. Use him well.

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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #1 on: Jun 16, 2008, 01:19:09 PM »
I agree with you about the Light Cavalry thing.  My Giant comes out in games of 3,000 when my opponent is likely to bring out a lot of disruption units.  He can clean out a whole flanks worth of fast cavalry and then turn his attention to flanks of units towards the center of the board.  My list is locked in at this point for 2,250 but the Giant is good fun and decent in certain situations in higher point battles.
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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #2 on: Jun 16, 2008, 01:42:48 PM »
He can also be disruptive against armies with Low Ld. Strongside one flank and then place him on the other. If they have troops over there then those troops will need a babysitter pulling one away from the main fight, otherwise they risk Terror chasing all those troops away.

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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #3 on: Jun 16, 2008, 05:22:24 PM »
Well done article Polymphus. My problem with the slavegiant has always been that it can't do what a giant should do, but maybe I'll break it out again with these things in mind- maybe.
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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #4 on: Jun 16, 2008, 08:47:48 PM »
Hi Poly,


You're the first one I see using the word 'giant' and 'unobtrusiveness' in one sentence  :lol:
But seriously, again a solid analysis. Never looked at it that way. Very insightful. I would like to see you having a go at the hunter or battle standard bearer,


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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #5 on: Jun 17, 2008, 12:09:40 AM »
Indeed, very well-written article. Inspired me to use mine to give it another shot at greatness... :roll:
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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #6 on: Jun 17, 2008, 09:56:54 AM »
Next I think I might do the scraplauncher, or finish off the rare section with maneaters. I've got very little combat experience with them though, so any article I pump out is likely to be pure theoryhammer. Be prepared. Which article would you prefer of the following...

-Maneaters
-Scraplauncher
-Yhetees
-Gnoblar Fighters
-Hunter

Of note, I think the hunter is a fantastic model, but not great on the battlefield. Not terrible, but butchers work much better for less points. So a hunter article is to be taken as: if you want to use one, use him thus, but don't expect revelations or fantastic insight into his use.

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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #7 on: Jun 17, 2008, 10:08:17 AM »
Poly this is an excellent analysis, I’m a long time greenskin player and just couldn’t see the point in the slave giant, thank you for allowing me to see the light.

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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #8 on: Jun 17, 2008, 10:16:39 AM »
I'd be interested on your viewpoint on the scraplaunchers and yhettes
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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #9 on: Jun 17, 2008, 10:33:12 AM »
Next I think I might do the scraplauncher, or finish off the rare section with maneaters. I've got very little combat experience with them though, so any article I pump out is likely to be pure theoryhammer. Be prepared. Which article would you prefer of the following...

-Maneaters
-Scraplauncher
-Yhetees
-Gnoblar Fighters
-Hunter

Of note, I think the hunter is a fantastic model, but not great on the battlefield. Not terrible, but butchers work much better for less points. So a hunter article is to be taken as: if you want to use one, use him thus, but don't expect revelations or fantastic insight into his use.

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I use Maneaters often. I also have a battle going with Sterling where I have no Butchers, 3 Hunters, and 4 Scraplaunchers. It isn't horrible. Starting to see uses for the Hunter.

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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #10 on: Jun 17, 2008, 12:11:07 PM »
Stop it! Now I want to buy a Slave Giant :roll: :cry:

I too would be very interested in seeing a Scraplauncher or Hunter tactica.

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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #11 on: Jun 17, 2008, 12:23:25 PM »
Fighters and Hunters I can definitely add to anything you'll write.
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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #12 on: Jun 17, 2008, 02:29:21 PM »
I'd like to see a Scraplauncher article..(well made) it might convince me to buy that last of the ogre options at long last!
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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #13 on: Jun 17, 2008, 08:18:45 PM »
i would have to disagree with the bit about giants being useless against large targets. i was playing a beasts of chaos player on saterday and he charged my giant with his shaggoth lord with mark of slannesh and did 4 wounds, in turn i rolled choke with chain and my opponent rolled a 6 for his toughness test, i rolled a 10 and the shaggoth was dead!!!!( although my giant later died to a lone chaos troll)
great article though, its good to see something positive written about the slave giant(cos i always take him)
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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #14 on: Jun 17, 2008, 08:32:16 PM »
I prefer an article about either the hunter or the scrap launcher.

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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #15 on: Jun 17, 2008, 08:32:43 PM »
Polymphus, an excellent article. I believe that I may be able to help.

I have knocked up a very quick flash application demonstrating what you have detailed in your post.

http://www.angelfire.com/wizard2/shockwave0/GWDemos/Concept.html

Hope you done mind and hopefully it will add to the debate.

(This is only rough, if enough folk find this beneficial I will knock up something more substantial)

Glad you posted this Polymphus, I plan on using two slave giants in my 2,000 pts army.

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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #16 on: Jun 18, 2008, 12:32:02 AM »
:D Very nice. I'd just like to add that against a ranked unit, it might be more advisable to hold, have something like a fistful of laurels nearby to prevent your unit from running and then flank with the giant.

Also, Hunter and scraplauncha are currently tied, so I'll do the scrappy first and then the hunter.
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Re: The Slavegiant- a tactical analysis by Poly
« Reply #17 on: Jun 19, 2008, 05:42:39 AM »
Well I like the Giants random attacks especially winning Combat by 2 no matter what.

If I use one hes a flanker only, denying my opponents ranks.
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