Author Topic: Resin? What is wrong with GW's?! (Read 1567 times)

Frost Jotun · « **Reply #25 on:** Jul 27, 2012, 10:43:59 AM »

We'll all suffer (a bit) until the entire line is plastic, but thankfully they replaced the metal with something!
I think we're all bound to encounter some (if not all) the drawbacks of finecast at one point or another, but it's well worth it.

Necrotix · « **Reply #26 on:** Jul 30, 2012, 12:31:21 PM »

What's encouraging to me right now is that the vast majority of the new Daemons releases are all plastic, only the scribes are done in crapcast. If they move to this model of producing things (pun intended) then I think we'll be better off. Now we just need plastic Greater Daemons.

dirtycrabcakes · « **Reply #27 on:** Jul 30, 2012, 01:26:11 PM »

I just got another finecast model in the mail this weekend (bragg) with almost zero issues. His pole was a little warped (that's what she said), but I fixed by holding it under some hot tap water.

I think finecast has gotten better since its release and will (hopefully) only continue to do so.

I think we are a long ways off before any transition to plastic occurs. Supposedly, you can't get the same level of detail with plastic that you can with metal or resin - does anyone know why that is? I'm not casting/modeling expert, so I'm not sure why one material is better than the other in this regard.

Brainfreezer · « **Reply #28 on:** Jul 30, 2012, 03:45:54 PM »

Plastic is a strong mould, meaning they can't put much inticasies into it, othewise it would come out weird or weaken the bond.
Resin, is a soft mould, meaning that they can put a lot of detail into it but it will bend, break, snap, bounce very easily and that miscasts will be plentiful.
Metal (white that is) is also a soft mould, but because it's metal, it does not waver, bend, snap, or bounce. It will break but so does everything. Miscasts are rare, only things are the ends of metal piking out, but thry are weak and can easily be removed.

just-josh · « **Reply #29 on:** Jul 30, 2012, 04:17:39 PM »

I disagree with your comments about metal. They do bend, just as easily as resin, and are just as hard to rectify. Ask anyone who ever owned enough of the Dogs of War pikemen... And, miscasts also happen with metal ( I bought a Dwarf Lord on Shieldbearers who effectively lacked the entirety of his back due to miscast), although are thankfully rare.

JJ

Brainfreezer · « **Reply #30 on:** Jul 31, 2012, 01:44:43 PM »

I never, had a miscast with metal. I could never bend my metal and it was easy to fix if it was.
I dunno, maybe you guys just got bad metal?

dirtycrabcakes · « **Reply #31 on:** Jul 31, 2012, 02:02:17 PM »

Pewter is a very soft metal and bends pretty easily. Every time metal bends, it weakens, becoming more apt to snap. That was never much of an issue for me though.

just-josh · « **Reply #32 on:** Jul 31, 2012, 03:28:21 PM »

It wasn't always an issue, as it was often easily fixed, even if it did snap. However, it was the earlier example of DoW Pikemen that was really an issue... Anything inherently fragile, and the metal proved to be a problem. Personally, I am glad to see the back of it, and the introduction of Finecast. I guess, it is just a personal preference

JJ

grey templar · « **Reply #33 on:** Jul 31, 2012, 03:53:31 PM »

The difference is that metal doesn't need hot water to bend it into shape. Bent sword? Bend it back and it will stay in place. Bent Finecast sword, bend it back and it just bounces right back. Its qute the operation to get it to stay.

Finecast doesn't do fiddly bits very well IMO. Its good for large solid pieces that were difficult to glue as metal(like the dumb sternguard or Tyrants) because of the weight. But for little things like banners it too fragile.

For example, I got a Metal Castellan Crowe when the GK codex first came out. Then the Finecast version was released and I decided to compare them. The finecast one glued together awsomely, the metal one was more difficult. But the Finecast one's banner and sword were always bent and I couldn't(even with a hot water bath and quick cold dunk) get them to straighten out. The metal one was a very simply tweak to fix. Eventually, the finecast model's sword and banner broke off.

I'm glad most of my fiddly stuff is metal.

Brainfreezer · « **Reply #34 on:** Aug 01, 2012, 12:24:31 AM »

I my friend has a finecast sterngaurd squad and a metal squad and he hates both

I got metal sternguard and I like them, easy to glue, easy to pin. Easy to paint.
I also have a metal Hive tyrant, and I love him. He is absolutely epic in metal. His horns and spikes are actually sharp! And the weight of him is brilliant, but thats just my preference.
I like their plastic ones too, like the idea of making a winged hive tyrant easily. Not liking the swarmlord's short bonesabers though, could be longer. What I don't like about the netal hive tyrant is the fact that giving him wings was a b**** of a thing to do. The ones I had were desined for sockets, not a carapace.
So tell me guys, what was your favourite metal model? Me? I have 3: Pedro kantor, Ghazkuul, and my Winged Hive Tyrant.
What was your favourite resin model? Mine was the Firebelly the anniversary model or Golfgag. Had no issues with them.
And what was your favourite plastic model? Mine was the savage orc boss. He is cool.
What was your favourite metal squad? Mine were my meganobz or my veterans.
What was your favourite resin squad? I don't have any resin squads actually.
What was your favourite plastic squad? Mine were the humble ork boyz. Just because you get a mountain of spares off them. Conertun time!
And what was your favourite vehicle? Mine were the Ork fighta jets or the Land Raider. (I tooled mine up with the blessings of Dorn stuff.)

Necrotix · « **Reply #35 on:** Aug 03, 2012, 12:40:21 PM »

Favourite metal model;

Favourite Finecast;

Favourite Plastic Model;

Favourite Metal Unit;

Favourite Plastic Unit;

Favourite Resin Unit;

Probably still the Harlies but I'm glad I got mine in metal.

Favourite Vehicle;

Brainfreezer · « **Reply #36 on:** Aug 03, 2012, 01:25:17 PM »

Cool Necrotix!

Gundehar · « **Reply #37 on:** Aug 16, 2012, 10:48:53 AM »

I've bought or ordered online, two Maneater Paymasters in my time and both of them came without their heads, I bought the first and the head was missing, so I ordered another and when it came the head was missing from that one too! I've ordered another already but will it be three in a row?

That said, I've gone to lengths to sell/or get rid of all my metal models pretty much except my Ogryns, and would never want to go back to metal, but personally I like the GW plastic the best.

dirtycrabcakes · « **Reply #38 on:** Aug 16, 2012, 12:22:27 PM »

Quote from: Gundehar on Aug 16, 2012, 10:48:53 AM

That said, I've gone to lengths to sell/or get rid of all my metal models pretty much except my Ogryns, and would never want to go back to metal, but personally I like the GW plastic the best.

That's insane!

Hopefully you haven't paid for 3?!?!?

CromsBones · « **Reply #39 on:** Aug 16, 2012, 02:02:48 PM »

I really miss metal models in many ways. The main problem that finecast wanted to solve (they claimed) was breakages from the weight of metal, which was solved in the first place by the simple application of a pin, and not dropping your massive metal model like a muppet. The heft of a massive metal model was a source of pride, I think. My awesome Engrim VanHorstman on chaos dragon all those years ago was a case in point. Finecast is a positive thing in terms of detail (although I never had a problem with metal anyway) and its pliability, which is great, seeing as how I managed to shave off Braggs cowl with a scalpel and blend it into the musculature with relative ease. On the other hand, I looked at my finecast Necron overlord and had to think "Hmm. Well, that warscythe is going to have to come off because I'll be damned if I'm going to paint it to perfection only to have the flimsy bastard snap off." Not to mention his warped and pockmarked hydraulics! I'm on the metal side of the fence on this one, dudes, but the grass still looks fairly green and edible on the finecast side. GW aren't going to change their stuff for us, though, seeing as the profit margine would be so low, so let's deal with it as best we can. Barkeep, a round for the ogres in the room!

MasteroDisaster · « **Reply #40 on:** Aug 16, 2012, 02:23:02 PM »

Really I think the old Metal vs. Resin argument is situational. It really depends on what army your working with. For example as a Tomb Kings collector a Finecast SSC or Tomb Scorp sounds epic! But as a Dark Eldar collector Finecast Lileth or Succbuss = big fat sweaty balls. Some of the smaller more petite models like Slaanesh stuff could be a right pain but something like Skrag would be fine. I've actually stepped on my Ork Wierdboy twice and nothing has even broken off him (thankfully). For those of us that collect larger modeled armies such as Ogres, OnG/Orks etc Finecast is great but for others who collect eldar, elves etc it will be a pain in the ass. CromsBones' example with his Necron Overlord is a perfect showcase for this argument.

Gundehar · « **Reply #41 on:** Aug 16, 2012, 09:46:16 PM »

Quote from: dirtycrabcakes on Aug 16, 2012, 12:22:27 PM

Quote from: Gundehar on Aug 16, 2012, 10:48:53 AM
That said, I've gone to lengths to sell/or get rid of all my metal models pretty much except my Ogryns, and would never want to go back to metal, but personally I like the GW plastic the best.

That's insane!

Hopefully you haven't paid for 3?!?!?

Actually yeah I have now come to think of it, I don't know what Games Workshops' returns of kits with missing parts policy is but if this next one, which I hope to convert into a Witch Hunter inspired Maneater, doesn't have his head I'm not going to be very happy... The Paymaster head is one of the better ones and the model in general in my opinion.

Other finecast models I've bought with missing parts were Kaldor Draigo was missing his non helmeted head and the Black Templar Sword Brethren was missing one of his Master Crafted Bolt Pistol arms.

Also I've bought two Louen Leoncoeurs' in my time and Samael, Master of the Ravenwing and they all had to be heated up and have their parts repositioned to fit together. The second Leoncoeur I converted into my Bretonnian Lord on a Hypogryph with a lance.

The next time I buy a finecast kit directly from a Games Workshop Store though I'm going to open it up and make sure everything is there before I leave...

But otherwise I have nothing bad to really say about finecast, I think it's 200% better than metal models, I can barely stand metal models now that I've been spoiled by finecast even, and the only metal models I haven't sold are my Ogryns and Nork Deddog, which I will keep because they are my favourite part of the Imperial Guard Army.

grey templar · « **Reply #42 on:** Aug 17, 2012, 12:42:39 AM »

GW is very good about replacing faulty product. Tell them you are missing some heads, they may just send you some whole new Maneaters.

dirtycrabcakes · « **Reply #43 on:** Aug 17, 2012, 12:14:00 PM »

Yeah, one my saber tusks was missing a leg and GW sent me a full replacent box.

Shadowlord · « **Reply #44 on:** Aug 17, 2012, 12:33:39 PM »

Quote from: dirtycrabcakes on Aug 17, 2012, 12:14:00 PM

Yeah, one my saber tusks was missing a leg and GW sent me a full replacent box.

No doubt, the actual shipping was much more expensive than dirt cheap resin.

dirtycrabcakes · « **Reply #45 on:** Aug 17, 2012, 01:10:51 PM »

Quote from: Shadowlord on Aug 17, 2012, 12:33:39 PM

Quote from: dirtycrabcakes on Aug 17, 2012, 12:14:00 PM
Yeah, one my saber tusks was missing a leg and GW sent me a full replacent box.

No doubt, the actual shipping was much more expensive than dirt cheap resin.

Sort of. I get my stuff shipped to my local GW, so the store gets credit for the sale and I pay no shipping. I'm sure they just tossed it in with the rest of the orders, so it probably didn't cost them much in terms of shipping either.

Overall, it was a very easy, pain-free process. They got top marks for customer service.

Shadowlord · « **Reply #46 on:** Aug 17, 2012, 01:54:24 PM »

I agree 100% with that last statement.

grey templar · « **Reply #47 on:** Aug 17, 2012, 10:04:25 PM »

Yup, my buddies carnifex was missing part of its tail piece. They sent him a whole new Carnifex, then he cast the missing piece and got a free Carnifex

Brainfreezer · « **Reply #48 on:** Aug 18, 2012, 12:46:13 AM »

Wow! If they are that good with faults, than I should tell them about my lootas not having a kustom mega blasta, who knows? Maybe 5 new lootas?