Another one on reform and swift reform

[Genestealer]

Question came up agout making a swift reform and the order of doing things. 

Do you:
1. reform
2. roll ld test for swift refrom
3. if passed make a normal move or if failed that unit is done

[MaanNaam]

We've always played it as:
1. Declare swift reform
2. Ld test
3. reform and move if test successful, otherwise just reform if test was failed

I don't think it's really an issue what order you do it in, just as long as you remember you still need to reform even if the Ld test is failed.

[Genestealer]

If they fail the ld test, the unit CANNOT opt to not reform and move instead.

[Offswitch]

I've always played it you reform then roll leadership tests as I think that's what the rules want you to do.

Nobody should be failing the test and then deciding not to reform. That's the same as not rolling enough for a charge and deciding you never wanted to any way.

[kobahl]

If you wish to do a swift reform you take a LD test first. If passed you can then make a swift reform. If failed you must make a normal reform instead. Pg 95.......

[MaanNaam]

If they fail the ld test, the unit CANNOT opt to not reform and move instead.

That's what I said, isn't it...?

Apologies if my post came across a bit confusing, I only meant the order doesn't matter.  You still need to reform even if you fail the test.

[Lexy]

And that is why Genestealers order is the best in my opinion.
That way it is also clear for your opponent, what you do.

It is also the logical way how most actions work in warhammer:
Firs decision and then chance (in form of dice):
Charging and pursuing work the same

[kobahl]

Apologies if my post came across a bit confusing, I only meant the order doesn't matter.  You still need to reform even if you fail the test.

Actually the order does kinda matter. Yes you still need to reform. The only slight advantage would be that when you roll your LD test to see if it's gonna be a swift reform or regular reform and if you fail the test you might want to reform into a different formation depending on the tactical situation.

[MaanNaam]

Apologies if my post came across a bit confusing, I only meant the order doesn't matter.  You still need to reform even if you fail the test.

Actually the order does kinda matter. Yes you still need to reform. The only slight advantage would be that when you roll your LD test to see if it's gonna be a swift reform or regular reform and if you fail the test you might want to reform into a different formation depending on the tactical situation.

fair enough...

[Genestealer]

Apologies if my post came across a bit confusing, I only meant the order doesn't matter.  You still need to reform even if you fail the test.

Actually the order does kinda matter. Yes you still need to reform. The only slight advantage would be that when you roll your LD test to see if it's gonna be a swift reform or regular reform and if you fail the test you might want to reform into a different formation depending on the tactical situation.

That was what I was thinking.  If I roll and don't make it, it might change what I was originally going to do.  If I have to make the reform first and then fail I could end up in a worse position.

[Mercules]

Apologies if my post came across a bit confusing, I only meant the order doesn't matter.  You still need to reform even if you fail the test.

Actually the order does kinda matter. Yes you still need to reform. The only slight advantage would be that when you roll your LD test to see if it's gonna be a swift reform or regular reform and if you fail the test you might want to reform into a different formation depending on the tactical situation.

Yeah, the order absolutely does matter as pointed out.
1. Announce Swift Reform
2. Roll Ld
3. Depending on outcome either Reform or Reform and move.