Ogre Bullls with one hand weapon and no Ironfist

[Potter666]

Does anyone bother fielding Ogres with only one hand weapon and no Ironfist?

I know a Bull used to get a -1 save modifier when using just a club and no other hand weapon of IF, but this was in the OK Book 1st edition. Does this still apply as I can't find any refrence to it in the latest OK book.?

Also does anyone field models with just a club and the other weapon or Ironfist left off the kit?
I know they can be fielded with the weapons on the model and not counted as being in use, but if I were to field them with just a club, I'd probably clip the other weapon off just to avoid complaints from Tourney win at all cost types.

Can anyone advise if there's anything to be gained from using only the club, as I think the Ironfist is a very useful addition as oppose to an extra hand weapon.

[MaanNaam]

We lost the ogre club special rule, so now it's just a hand weapon.

In the old book I ran them with only clubs because of the ogre club rule and because of their points cost.  Now they cost the same with an ironfist as they did in the old book naked. 

I don't really run normal ogres anymore since we don't have to, but when I do I always give them ironfists because of the 6+ parry.

[Tozon]

2pts for +1 to the armour save and a 6+ parry on a 30pt model is just to good to pass up.  If you use it on a unit of 10 lets say, you only have to make 2 saves to make the points back, 3 to be in the plus (excluding not conceded points of combat res which are invaluable!)

[Johanxp]

In my opinion Ogres without ironfist are quite useless. I always field them in a unit of 9 (minimum) because they are cheaper than Ironguts AND because of the 6+ save, Otherwise they are not so effective and very fragile.

[Pirkkalalainen]

So problem with extra hand weapon is, that you have to buy it for every ogre, but only front rank can make use of it. But if you would for some reason take a unit of 3 ogres, would you then consider taking xhw over IF? Just asking

For example, hoping that your enemy won't kill that small unit and you could make some use of those extra attacks

[sitaavanu]

If you were only running a unit of 3 xhw are worth considering.

However due to supporting attacks etc you should always take atleast 6 to a unit.  Thus you end up with IF again.

[ThomThomKC]

I don't really run normal ogres anymore since we don't have to, but when I do I always give them ironfists because of the 6+ parry.

Do you not always drink beer but when you do, you prefer Dos Equis as well? 

[TheTrev0]

Also does anyone field models with just a club and the other weapon or Ironfist left off the kit?
I know they can be fielded with the weapons on the model and not counted as being in use, but if I were to field them with just a club, I'd probably clip the other weapon off just to avoid complaints from Tourney win at all cost types.

To address this for you, I'll let you know right now that you do not have to "clip off" anything on an Ogre's left hand to be tournament legal.

Ogres come in their boxes/kits with no option to have an empty left hand and Tournaments do not punish players for the way a model is forced to look like.  Now, if a model could have two different options (Such as Helberds or Hand Weapon + Shield) then you do need to model them accordingly.

Likewise with the Ogres, if you want to field them with Ironfists then you need to have at least half of the unit modeled with the ironfist and place those modeled with the ironfist front and center so that your enemy can see what their equipment is.  Also, if you don't want to pay for the ironfist (Why on God's Green Earth would you do that I don't know!?), then you need to model at least half of the ogres in your unit without the ironfist.

In regards to the second hand weapon?  You can model it on, but never off, as Ogres come with either 2 hand-weapons or 1 hand weapon and an Ironfist.  There isn't any other way to model it. 

So in-short, the only "modeling" that actually matters to Ogres in a tournament setting is the Ironfist.  You can't model an Ogre without an extra handweapon thus you don't have to worry about how its modeled with or without extra hand weapon.

[Johnny-Crass]

I don't really run normal ogres anymore since we don't have to, but when I do I always give them ironfists because of the 6+ parry.

Do you not always drink beer but when you do, you prefer Dos Equis as well? 

I thought the same thing when I read that.

In the land of 8th parrysaves are just amazing gravy and should be taken whenever possible

[Torga_DW]

Back in their first incarnation, I used the extra hand weapon and cut the weapon off fairly easily to just leave a naked fist. But currently, I would strongly recommend ironfists, they are arguably a no-brainer choice in today's army book. Just my 2 cents.