Impact hits and NG netters

[Fool]

Hi!

I have been wondering if the Night Goblin upgrade of Netters will reduce the strength of our impact hits by one?

In the BRB page 71 it says that impact hits are resolved at the very beginning of the close combat (before challenges and any other attacks) in the OnG armybook it says that Netters are rolled for at the start of each round of close combat.

My guess is that the start of a close combat comes before the very beginning of a close combat and our impact hits will therefore be reduced by 1 in strength. But im not sure so I am seeking your wisdom.

Furthermore if the netting ability is counted as an attack, then Netters would not affect the strength of our impact  hits.

[Wildcard]

netting is not counted as an attack.  it does affect impact hits too, reducing them by -1 strength.

[Salt Gut]

This is an example of two things that happen at the same time. When this happens the player whos turn it is decides the order.

[Gutlord Inquisitor]

^ Exactly. Which in most cases means the Ogre player can choose, so impacts first!

[Wildcard]

No, the nets go first as they happen at the start of the close combat round.  Impact hits are affected.

[Gutlord Inquisitor]

"Impact Hits are resolved at the very beginning of the close combat"
"At the start of each round of close combat, a unit that contains Netters must attempt to entangle..."

Unless there's a functional difference between "beginning" and "start" they appear to happen at the same time to me.

[Wildcard]

The combat round starts when the shooting phase ends.  Not when the one particular fight involving the night goblins starts.

The impact hits are worked out at the beginning of that particular close combat.

Even if there is only one fight to be resolved, this is still the case.

There is no rule in the BRB, or an FAQ of the BRB that says that "the player whose turn it is decides the order"

[Gutlord Inquisitor]

You'd be absolutely right if the rule said "beginning of the close combat phase." As far as I can tell each individual combat is considered a "round" although it is poorly defined in the book.

For example; "pursuit into a new enemy"
"If this enemy unit was already engaged in close combat, and that fight has not been resolved for this turn, then the pursuing unit will get to fight another round of close combat!"

That's my take on it anyway.  I haven't scoured the rulebook to see if round is used synonymously with phase, but I don't think it is.

There is no rule in the BRB, or an FAQ of the BRB that says that "the player whose turn it is decides the order"

I'm not sure I'm misunderstanding you, but you know about the "Sequencing" rule in the box on page 10, right?

[Phazael]

Impact hits are a form of attack that happen before any other attacks, even ASF.  The main rulebook explicitly says they are close combat attacks and the nets are resolved before any attacks are made, so that would seem pretty conclusive to me.

[Salt Gut]

There is no rule in the BRB, or an FAQ of the BRB that says that "the player whose turn it is decides the order"

Every time the question of two things happening at the same time comes up in the FAQ the answer is always, "the player whose turn it is decides the order" Although no single blanket rule covers every situation. The rulings have been consistent.

[Salt Gut]

Impact hits are a form of attack that happen before any other attacks, even ASF.  The main rulebook explicitly says they are close combat attacks and the nets are resolved before any attacks are made, so that would seem pretty conclusive to me.

Sounds good to me.

[Gutlord Inquisitor]

If the rule said Netters worked before all attacks then you'd be absolutely right, Phazael, but it doesn't. It says the start of the combat round.

I'm willing to accept that your way is sensible and plausibly the intent. And frankly, it's hard to imagine a situation where this would actually matter. But the RAW is clear.

[Ghunter]

netting is not counted as an attack.  it does affect impact hits too, reducing them by -1 strength.

Agreed. The two effects are declared to happen at the beginning of the combat phase but one is considered as an attack and not the other. I would play it that netters apply before every attack and impact hits being an attack, it's affected.

[Fool]

Impact hits are a form of attack that happen before any other attacks, even ASF.  The main rulebook explicitly says they are close combat attacks and the nets are resolved before any attacks are made, so that would seem pretty conclusive to me.

Thx for all the answers.

This seems to be the most plausible solution to me