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[Zaknifa]

Are dogs of war still allowed by most play groups, or are they treated like chaos dwarfs?

Because I was looking through the DoW book and thought there were a few things that could work nice in an ogre army. (mostly the cannon, pike and crossbow)

[Eg Giant-tripper]

For starters, Chaos Dwarfs are completely legal in every way, you don't need anyone's permission to use them.

I'd ask your opponent before using Dogs. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with a few infantry/cavalry to add flavour and some interesting tactical options, but I think people would start getting a bit miffed if they were expecting to fight a typical OK army and it turned up with 2 cannon, or two wizards. Using Dogs to compensate for an army's weakness is sometimes seen as bad form.

[Zaknifa]

ok thanks for the clarification. Also thanks for clearing up the Chaos Dwarfs (I thought they were a defunct army).
But if it is consider bad form the compensate for ones weakness, through dogs of war) what was GW's reasoning in creating that ability, both in DoW and ogres?
I will be sure to tell be though before and make sure if it is ok to bring cannons.

[Wildcard]

actually, the chaos dwarfs ARE a defunct book - most tournaments here in the UK do not allow them (certainly anything run by GW doesn't).  Some independent events are beginning to use the fan-made rulebook for the chaos dwarfs, but by no means all of them.

Dogs of War is in a similar boat - they have no book so are not considered a "legal army" by most/many events.

as with all these things, its always  better to ask.

[Eg Giant-tripper]

Oh, sorry. I was under the impression that the Ravening Hordes list was still perfectly valid. After all, they are still featued in the rulebook index.

[Wildcard]

Oh, sorry. I was under the impression that the Ravening Hordes list was still perfectly valid. After all, they are still featued in the rulebook index.

I've seen a few people use them in friendly play - but only one or two tournaments.  Games were mostly spent with the opponent asking "what does that do?" again and again for a few hours.

[drear]

i think your best bet is to ring any gaming groups you want to go to and ask their stance on it.
from what ive seen , aslong as your opponent says its okay to use dow as a rare choice, its fine.

however after reading through some of the DoW troops, stay away from things that would make your army appear uber cheesey, id avoid using the regiments of the renown , unless your themeing an army around them, as alot seem abit to powerful, and maybe shy away from ever using arsnil the dragon lord , it just seems really boring to take an army like ogres who can win against other armies frequently if you can learn how to play them right, and then slap in a terror causing flier thats amazingly fluffless and can essentially win games for you.

but that said, some units in the dow lists fill specific roles ogre kingdoms cant fill atm, so make up for a weakness with a unit of knights, or a cannon or anything ^^ just make sure its not boring to feild

[Sharkbelly]

I don't think there's much in the DoW list that is too powerful, but people tend to get cheesed off when they face units that really don't fit in an army, i.e. cannons in an ogre army.

Don't worry about wizards, though; it is illegal to take DoW characters from the list.

[BilboBaggins]

The terminology is wrong.

The list isn't "Illegal" it's just that they are not allowed in GW run tournaments.

Many indy tournaments allow the Dogs of War as an Army.

The main reason GW stopped support was a limited number of players were filling holes in their armies with Dogs of War units (Mainly Cannons, Crossbows in Chaos armies) and Somebody at GW decided that wasn't fair. That is the reason that the Dogs of War option has been removed out of all Army Books released for 7th edition.

The DOW list is very weak compared to current books, they have the same ranking in ETC as Ogres and Orcs and Goblins.

If you are planning a fun game nobody should complain about using the Dogs of War list. If you plan on using Dogs of War units in your army then it would be best to tallk to your opponent about it before playing.

Characters from the Dogs of War list (and Special Characters) were never allowed in other armies. Now you are going to ask about Asarnil, Gotrek and Felix and The Witch Hunters. They are all Regiments of Renown not SC's so are allowed (but with limits to which armies.)

[Slaughterman]

(the body is still warm!)

i always threw a DOW cannon in as it fit my army: in 2k i have three hunters with bolt throwers, 4 Scraplaunchers and a cannon fit in well so i out Warmachined the Dwarf player with 8 to his 6.

but with our book being the last 6th edition and everyone else losing DoW options going forward i find it more and more unfair (personally; no one yells mozzerella at me) to keep using it when everyone else now lacks the option. maybe when our new book comes out (2045 i think is the next rumored date) we'll have more "Carrying Warmachines as Rifles" options, but i love adding it in my Heavy Weapons Builds.

does that make me a bad gnoblar?

[Belchfist Beastkiller]

absolutely