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. All my mournfang are rhinox riders. Since I had enough of them anyway, and because I prefer them to the mournfang models, I've used them.Ogres simply do not get to bennefit from the steadfast rule as much as conventional armies, even in the most ludicrous of deathstar scenarios. Ogres rely on killing to generate combat resolution more than any other army, so one bad round of dice can torpedo you against block infantry or combination charges. Or simply being debuffed for one turn. The 35 point crown can change the outcome of that scenario into a minor inconvenience, instead of total disaster.
Here is my 500 list for escalation - I hope this helps.
Please do NOT link exact point costs for items/models/units. It can get the forum in trouble with GW.
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Yeah but does it win a game of warhammer?I'm not sure warhammer winning prowess ever impressed a fair maid...
. And no, playing with metal dollies is not going to make anyone a hit with the ladies
. I'm more "faint heart never won fair maid" myself.
. If I desperatly need stubborn I've been outplayed or outlucked...or both. But if things are that desperate, then I can spinemarrow with IF. And if you think those odds are bad on casting that on 6 dice, then review my comments on probability
I'm basically in the same boat as Wildcard on this one though my reasons are a little different.
I used to view stubborn as the MUST HAVE item of ogres, however other items have replaced that.
as such I almost never find myself with the points/allotment to use the crown.
And like Merc, the first time you hear "Yeah, no kidding you're playing Ogres, they're just too good", it isn't pleasant at all. And reading forums like Warseer which now has a 16 pages thread "Are Ogres overpowered ?" does nothing to cheer me up.
This couldn't be further from the truth for me. From the last book, there's exactly one thing I miss: nothing.
The 6th Edition book was overly cautious, which seems to be a Phil Kelly thing (look at 40k Orks, for example). The throttle was held back for a lot of units. Needless restrictions were heaped upon things like the Scraplauncher, which had a "tax" of 145 points per model taken. Ogres had very little in the way of interesting units, and once 8th came around, the Guthorde really was the only game in town. It was like playing with kiddie gloves on, and while I love the models and the background and all that stuff, the book just couldn't compete from the get-go.
That is not a good thing. It didn't make my games any more fun to have to start off behind the 8 ball. It certainly didn't make me a better player, since exploiting mistakes is something everyone should know how to do. It didn't even mean that my opponents had more fun. So what was the benefit?
Pride? I'm supposed to be proud that I chose an army that GW screwed up on and made underpowered? It seems more likely that I should feel like a fool for that. I stuck with the book, although I admit I didn't play much at all during the later half of Seventh.
Now that my army of choice has some great new rules and some absolutely fabulous new models, I am not going to apologize to my opponent for anything. Nor am I going to self-restrict and try to make a "friendly" list. I will play what I want to play, and what I want to play is hard.
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