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Rules Questions and FAQs / Re: Possible, Impossible or Possible charge move against a common Block.

« on: Oct 19, 2011, 06:01:10 PM »

Of this are you 100%? You can charge to the side in that way?

Also, what would the ruling be if it was an enemy unit standing 1" away in the front? Still charge out to the side? And if so is it allowed even if the enemy unit 10" wide?

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Rules Questions and FAQs / Possible, Impossible or Possible charge move against a common Block.

« on: Oct 19, 2011, 05:31:58 PM »

Hey again fellow Maneaters.

Have another question coming up and this one has really gone to my head so I really need your opinion on this. Is it possible for a character that stands in the 2nd rank to charge out from his unit? Imo Its allowed since he got Line of Sight from there.

Anyway. That was only the first Q and a side note for that matter. The real question is how to do if the enemy moves a typical "block-unit", like harpies, 1" in front of your unit. Is it the possible to charge them with a single character that charge out from his unit? Since they are only 1" away and our Ogre bases are bigger than 1", he can't really fit in.

What to do?

Just this happened against a Dark Elves player I meet earlier today. We discussed it over and over and couldn’t find a correct way to do it. I will post some picture of the possible outcomes of my charge.

1. Here is a made-up screenshot of the situation where it all began. Butcher stands in the middle and declares the charge. Harpies holds.



2. Just a picture to show where the problem occurred.



3. Here is how I first moved my Butcher. Since it’s fairly clear that he charges in the front, I moved him to the side so he did fit. But then my opponent said that my charge move was illegal and the only way that was allowed was if my model was a flyer. I wish he wore



4. This is how we agreed to solve the situation. Since I wasn’t allowed to move to the side, we agreed that to solve it in the easiest way the harpies closed the door by turning a bit more to the other direction so the butcher could fit in the front. Didn't feel 100% correct but we both felt this was the most logical way to solve the issue.



So what are your opinions? Did we do the right thing when RAW? Or RAI? Or none of it.
A big tourney is coming up and the main reason I want to discuss this is because I want to know if it’s possible to charge out with a character from a unit even if he doesn’t fit in front? Or will it be an illegal charge? If it is legal, how would it work out?
If not, it clearly sucks.

Looking forward to hear your thoughts.

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Rules Questions and FAQs / Re: Pandaemonium against Sabretusks + Hunter

« on: Oct 18, 2011, 10:17:59 PM »

I do hope you are right. But I also read again and I can't see where its says you can use Hunters LD.
Spell clearly states:

Whilst this spell is in play, enemy units may not benefit from the leadership of thier army's characters. This can affect units in combat. Futhermore, all enemy spellcasters will Miscast on any roll of a double, instead of the roll of a double 1.

As far as I read it they would not use the Hunters LD. But pls prove me wrong.

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Rules Questions and FAQs / Pandaemonium against Sabretusks + Hunter

« on: Oct 18, 2011, 11:16:13 AM »

Hmm... Prolly a silly question.

Fought a Chaos army. he casts Pandaemonium.
Fires a hellcannon om my sabretusks unit that has a hunter among them.
Now they have to test for panic on LD3 !!!

Just want to doublecheck we did it correct?

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Rules Questions and FAQs / Re: New Book Trappers Scout/skirmish?

« on: Oct 01, 2011, 12:27:13 PM »

I would take 3x12 gnobblars with trappers just to get more entry points. Let them charge Eagles or go and die on scouts. Always fun. I used once in a congaline to block fast cavs. They can be lucky in SS.

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Rules Questions and FAQs / Re: Stand & Shoot w/Thundertusk

« on: Sep 22, 2011, 11:49:20 AM »

But the two Ogre's on top can Stand of shot? Only time you can fire that chaintrap

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Armies of the Kingdoms / Re: 3000 point fun monster army

« on: Sep 21, 2011, 08:06:02 PM »

a few things.

I would use sword of striking insteed of Biting blade anyday.

And I can't see any reason to use scout AND vanguard. Since vanguard move can't take you closer then 12" to a unit and scout deploy max 12" away. Pick something else there.

I would not build an army like that. But I guess its all from person to person. Good luck out there

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Armies of the Kingdoms / Re: 2nd try on a tourney army 2400pts - Lore of Beasts!

« on: Sep 21, 2011, 05:00:39 PM »

I like the big Sabre Tusk pack I assume the Hunter is with them with the Iron Curse Icon., let us know how it goes.

Not sure about the solo Gorger but I guess its ok as a war-machine hunter that's 4 more Sabre tusks lol.

Thats correct. A quite nice unit that can take out ranks and have good enough hit power. Swiftstride and vangaurd is very nice if you want to get there quick. If possible I will do a double charge with the maneather asap with these and the maneaters.

Yeah, tourney is in early nov. Will hopefully post complete fighting reports on it. Hav schedueled atleast 4 games before aswell to make sure this is the army to play.

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Armies of the Kingdoms / 2nd try on a tourney army 2400pts - Lore of Beasts!

« on: Sep 21, 2011, 12:55:24 PM »

1 Slaughtermaster @ 377.0 Pts
     General; Magic Level 4; Lore of Beasts; 2ndWeapon; Gruts Sickle; Healing Potion; Pidgeon Plucker Pendant

1 Bruiser @ 184.0 Pts
     Heavy Armour; Battle Standard; Enchanted Shield; Talisman of Preservation

1 Butcher @ 159.0 Pts
     Magic Level 1; Lore of the great maw; Great Weapon; Hellheart

1 Hunter @ 180.0 Pts
     Light Armour; Great Throwing Spear; Sword of Striking; Charmed Shield; Ironcurse Icon; Giantbreaker

10 Gnoblars @ 50.0 Pts
     Trappers

10 Gnoblars @ 50.0 Pts
     Trappers

6 Ironguts @ 298.0 Pts
   Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Standard; Gutlord; Look-Out Gnoblar; Standard of Discipline

6 Ogres @ 206.0 Pts
   2ndWeapon; Light Armour; Standard; Crusher

1 Gorger @ 90.0 Pts

6 Maneaters (light armour) @ 366.0 Pts
   Standard Bearer; 3x 2ndWeapon; Dragonhide Banner

1 Sabretusk Pack @ 21.0 Pts

8 Sabretusk Pack @ 168.0 Pts

1 Thundertusk @ 250.0 Pts

Total Army Cost: 2399.0



All characthers except for the hunter goes into the Ironguts forming a nice deathstar. Slaughtermaster with Lore of beast is IMO very nice for us Ogres. The one thing you miss is a nice DMG-spell but you can't have it all. Yerh and Ironblasters. But I tried them a few times and they are good. But can't really fit them here and since this army is super agressive I felt I did the right thing dropping them.

Tactic is fairly easy.

S-Tusks with hunter (Vangaurd) and Maneaters goes all out on one flank (depending how your opponent place thier troops ofc) Possible tactic is to place Maneaters 12" away from an enemy unit that you know you can take in CC. First Ogre turn (Doesnt matter if he, she or I gets the first) you rush your maneaters as close as you can. If he is facing you you use the DH-banner on that turn. Give him the chance to charge, and gets to strike last, or he chickens out and you get the charge, Rerolls on 1.
Personally I prefer to keep the standard until you really need it in the end, but this is a nice chock opening.

Rest troops goes in the middle, T-tusk in the between Ogres and the Deathstar IG. They go forward in highest speed. If you get the charge its good. If the opponenet charges is not that bad. the T-tusk is close enough for ASL. Basiclly its all out attack on all sides. I just wished Gnoblar had M6.

Rest troops is crowd control and the Gorger is just a nasty suprise.


Posting the Spells and a few comments on them.

#0: Wyronn's Wildform       
       10+ to cast; Augment, 12" Range - Target gains +1 St & +1 To
       until Casters Next Magic Phase.  Extended - 13+ to cast, 24" range.

Easy and Simple. Good bost and can force out some d-dices from the opponent when you have +6 on casting rolls.

#1: The Flock of Doom     
       5+ to cast, Magic Missle, 24" Range. 2D6 Str 2 hits.  Extended;  8+ to cast, 48" Range

Imo almost useless, always (if possible) trades it for signature. Give it no armoursaves allowed GW?


#2: Pan's Impenetrable Pelt 
      8+ to cast, Augment, 12" Range.  Wizard or another character gains +3 To until Casters Next Magic
      Phase.  Extended - 16+ to cast, ALL friendly characters.

Nice to give that Deathstar T8 for 2 CC rounds, Good if the T-Tusk is on its own way for what ever reason.

#3: Amber Spear
      9+ to cast, Magic Missle, 24" Range. Single St6 hit causing D3 wounds with penetrates like bolt thrower,
      no armor saves. Extended - 15+ to cast, St10 hit, D6 wounds.

Well, the only worth DMG spell in the tree. Used it pretty nice on flanking cavs in my last game. Hit in the flank and it hurts like hell on them. Good if you need to bring something big down.

#4: Curse of Anraheir
       10+ to cast, Hex, 36" Range. Target suffers -1 to hit with shooting or CC until Casters Next Magic Phase.
       Additionally they treat ALL terrain as  Dangerous Terrain and tests fail on 1 & 2.  Extended 13+ to cast,
       72" Range.

Do I need to say more that this is Gnobblars friend nr 1. Can be really nasty for an enemy that has a plan. Favorite was when I place the gnobblars 1" infront of a none Musician unit and managed to cast the spell. Also good in CC when needing a boost.

#5: Savage Beasts of Horros
      10+ to cast, Augment, 12" Range. Friendly character gains +3 Str & + 3 Attacks until Casters Next Magic
      Phase.  Extended - 20+ to cast, ALL friendly characters within 12"

Boosted or not. It gives that Deathstar a great advantage. Boosted is almost insane with 3 Charaters in the front rank.

#6: Transformation of Kadon 
       16+ to cast, Augment, Remains in Play.  Caster becomes Monster. Feral Manticor, Black Hydra or Horned
       Dragon. Can remain in unit.  Extended - 20+ to cast.  Caster if on foot becomes Mountain Chimera or
       Greater Fire Dragon.  While monster caster can use no magic items or cast or dispel. Wounds on either
       caster or monster carry over.

This is my new favorite. if not in combat to become a Great Fire dragon. Suddenly you have a dragon general with LD 10 (He is with the Standard of dicipline unit) and the inspire range goes up to 18". if in range the Breath weapon ST5 is really nasty aswell. Plus its Remains in play, opponent would surely use some vaulable power dices to dispel it in his own face if been cast. In combat, mountain Chimera all day long. Can't think of many characters that would survive a challange against that. Minus is the LD (you get a General with LD 7!)

Hope I didnt wrote to much. But I have been very impressed with the beast magic for OK since I tried it. Also if you roll a snake eyes on your Grut's Sickle roll like I did once take it with a smile. Bc it is hilarious!

Pls comment on this and correct me if I have done/thought something bad.



PS: The tournament is an 4 man teamed ETC-based one. Spelling mistake is caused by massive coffee intake.

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The Feeding Grounds / Re: Wildcard's Ogre Achievements Thread

« on: Sep 21, 2011, 11:52:34 AM »

Since I just lost my SM on a snake eyes roll to Grut's Sickle I just have to join here
Also going to a ETC-based tourney in Nov so hopefully alot more achievements then.

So far:

1. Gettin Started - Play a game of warhammer using the new ogre book
2. Going Large - Play a game of warhammer of over 2000 points using the new ogre book
3. Brace for impact! - During a game, an ogre unit successfully charges and rolls 10+ on the dice
7. Oooo, shiny! - buy one of the models new to the ogre range
8. That's huge! - build a stonehorn or thundertusk model
10. I didn't mean it lads - lose a spellcaster to the "snake eyes" effect of grut's sickle
13. Still loving it - play 5 games using the new book rules
15. getting colder - field a thundertusk OR a unit of yhetees in your army
21. Paint a unit of ogres
22. Here Kitty! - field 1 or more lone sabretusks in your army
34. Win a game using ogres vs. Warriors of chaos
43. Now you see me - field a unit of scouting maneaters
45. Hahahaha! - kill 3+ models in a single use of the gnoblar trappers rule.
88. Ogre zoo - Paint at least one of the Stonehorn, Thundertusk, Mournfang and Sabretusk models.
89. She's a Maaaaaneater! - paint the female Maneater model.
90. They're not bloody Eagles you know! - Run a Hunter in a unit of 5 or more Sabretusks.

So far 16/101.
This will be fun

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Armies of the Kingdoms / Re: 2 Competitive list and tactic thinking (2500)

« on: Sep 18, 2011, 06:41:01 PM »

When you are saying "2 Sabretusk Pack" is that a unit of 2? Im assuming so, and in that case i would recommend to not take Sabretusks in anything more than 1 offs if you are using them as redirection/being really annoying because if you take two, all the enemy has to do is shoot one and then your on a LD 4 for a Panic test unless your within the general, which you probably wont be if your using them as flank blockers or war machine hunters.

Just my two cents
Cheers!
Triddion

Even worse, Sabretusk pack can never use generals LD.

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Rules Questions and FAQs / Re: Hunters in Sabretusk unit?

« on: Sep 13, 2011, 10:19:13 PM »

Got mine at GW aswell but got 40x40 base... Strange. Also saw that GW says that he comes with a 50x50 base.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat670005a&prodId=prod1320012a&rootCatGameStyle=

No reason to worry then. Would be more then fine in a tourney

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Rules Questions and FAQs / Hunters in Sabretusk unit?

« on: Sep 13, 2011, 09:46:16 PM »

Ok just had an intense game against a Chaos warrior player. Ended up with a win but it could have gone either way.

One thing that bothered me when I deployed was that the hunters base is smaller then 2x sabretusk bases.
I would love to place him in front rank with 4 sabretusks and have 6 sabretusks in the 2nd rank. But according to the rules he must stay on one side of the unit and the sabretusks in 5 in front and 5 behind.

Am I wrong? Sounds kind of silly if he can't stand in the middle of the unit when its the only unit he can join...

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Armies of the Kingdoms / Re: Battlescribe Ogres 8th Edition - Army Builder

« on: Sep 08, 2011, 12:26:55 PM »

Donno if it has been up before.

Arcane Items can't seem to be found for any mage-users?
Sabretusks doesnt exsist?
Maneaters are special choice?
Dragonhide banner costs 50p?

Thx alot for working with this.

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Armies of the Kingdoms / Re: 2,400 pts Etc list.

« on: Sep 07, 2011, 08:11:24 AM »

I bet the scroll + hellheart won't be happening in the new ETC rules as they would both count for too many dispell dice.

Yeah I have that thought aswell. This Etc tournament is a national one and it take place in NOV so Im fairly sure nothing will come up before. But In that case the Scroll will be swapped ofc. No other thoughts about the list itself?

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Armies of the Kingdoms / Re: 1,100 List for a Club Tournemant

« on: Sep 06, 2011, 10:51:00 PM »

Never tried building an ogre army less then 2000 pts so can't say much.

Though I would like to point out that the Ironfist on the lord cost 5pts. So does Enchanted shield.
I would take that any day insteed of Ironfist.

I would prolly try to fit a slaughtermaster insteed of a tyrant any day. But that maybee just me.

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Armies of the Kingdoms / Re: 2500 pts New Ogre GT style list...

« on: Sep 06, 2011, 10:44:05 PM »

Hmmm.... Looks nice.

Though the book clearly states:
"Ogre Tyrants, Bruisers and Hunters are able to spend points on a SINGLE big name, as detailed in the army list"

I would drop the deathcheater. Otherwise I like your thoughts

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Armies of the Kingdoms / 2,400 pts Etc list.

« on: Sep 06, 2011, 09:34:47 PM »

Ok, Giving my first try with the new book. Looking forward to hear your thoughts.

Lord
1 Slaughtermaster, lvl 4 Death lore, additional weapon, Talisman of perservation, Grut's Sickle, General     382 pts

Hero
1 Bruiser, Heavy armour, additional weapon, BSB, Standard of Dicipline     152 pts
1 Firebelly, lvl 1 Fire lore, Great weapon, Dispelscroll, Ironcourse Icon     157 pts
1 Butcher, lvl 1 Great Maw lore, Great weapon, Hellheart     159 pts

Core
9 Ogres, additional weapon, musician, standard, look-out gnobblar     304 pts
9 Ogres, additional weapon, musician, standard, look-out gnobblar     304 pts

Special
1 Sabretusk     21 pts
1 Sabretusk     21 pts
3 Maneaters, Brace ogre pistols, Sniper, Scout     186pts
6 Maneaters, Additional weapon, Stubborn, Swiftstride, Standard, Dragonhide banner     372 pts
1 Gorger     90 pts

Rare
1 Thundertusk     250 pts

Total points 2400pts


Plan is to have Ogre blocks in the centre with the thundertusk between them. Swiftstride Maneater on one flank. Snipers on the other. All Characters will be placed among the 2 Ogre blocks. Depending alittle of opposing army. Sabretusk is for crowd control and suicide. Gorger is the warmachine killer/Nasty suprise.
The Slaughtermaster with +6 on all casting is where the focus will be. Taking out enemy character. Hopefully that will be enough for my troops to win over his.